I think this is the closest to what I was doing and looks like a great start for me:

http://www.wowhead.com/talent#fcbZZfGscdzcRho

once we are allowed to level to 85 (checked some of the cataclysm calculators) we will get a few more points and I want to add in improved recouperate:

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#fcbcZbZfGscdzcRho

thoughts Ideas? what are you combat types doing?

I kinda like the look of honor among thieves. Couldn't you take three points from nightstalker and elusiveness and put those in there and get better PvE damage? I'd think 5% crit chance plus a good chance at an extra combo point every four seconds would be worth more than faster stealth movement and some reduced cooldowns, even if cloak of shadows is one of them.

Admittedly, nightstalker and elusiveness are much more useful PvP abilities.

I was going to say exactly the same thing.

As far as my combat spec goes, I have picked it for now but I have to relearn how to play properly and I think I have to balance my hit rating better.

I tried out a VoA 25 and while it's probably true that other people weren't keeping their debuffs up as much as usual I did about 8.7k dps on Toravon as opposed to about 10k before the patch.

this is for my PvP spec. Why would I want to increase the damage of the raid? its about faster kill damage for me. Its all about me damn it! :)

for PVE Im using
http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#ffIs0sMdoGoZbh

though Im not opposed to modifying my PvP theory to use HAT. Just not sure of how viable it is PvE wise. for the record I love Vendetta. Im going to miss it in PvP.

Ahh didn't know you were talking about pvp.

This little write up might help a bit while the theorycrafters are still crunching numbers.

Actually X put me there yesterday which is how I wound up with that PvE spec :)

Brand new post today about the three rogue spec rotations.

As of my testing last night Im extremely upset with Blizzard. I cant find the right spec for my playstyle and the subtley spec, while it looked good on paper, was not making me happy. Thank you Blizzard for effing up my PvP enjoyment! I think they must have sat down with Square Enix and taken notes on how not to keep your players happy. 31 points have to be in one specialization befor yeou can move to another? seriously? That totally limits my ability to customize.

The search for the one true PvP spec continues *sigh* :boohoo:

That has happened to me a couple times over the expansions. My best advice is to try other things and see if you find something you like.

I am horrible with rogues, but I would agree that you should try to be patient and choose talents outside of the box. I know that, with all the classes, I've misued or ignored abilities related to talents or talent bonuses before and when I figured out what I was missing it was the difference between night and day. I'm sure you are more savvy than me with rogues, but I'm gonna guess there is something out there that's not quite clear yet. I hope so anyway.

actually I sort of had an epiphany last night. I just had my specs reveresed I think. After much whining and bitching and Imirindo/Fren (THANKS GUYS!) helping me out I think the subtlety spec is supposed to be PvE and I did okay damage last night in a heroic. Not OMGWTFBBQ damage but better than day 1 post patch. the rotation is weird alternating between envenom and rupture while using hemorrahge. But I must say shadow dance is awesome as I can just ambush/backstab like 3 to 4 times unstealthed. I also enjoy the new ability shadow step I think its called. Pops me right behind a target from about 25 yards out. Either way I think with some gear/stat tinkering I can make this work. assasination seems to be the best spec for PvP for me so far. but admitedly its difficult to get a handle on right now with all the bugs in rogue and resilliance. I will keep you posted though!