Guys, I know with the expansion everything is new, and sometimes things can get missed. I know people are so busy seeing what's new, and so on that people can't get ignored, however...

I've noticed that since the expansion, people in the guild have asked for help in guild chat, or asked a question, even said that they dinged, and have been completely ignored. Don't let all the newness overshadow the fact that a guild is about friends, fellowship and support.

DING!

FUCKING DING!

You guys suck!


/gquit


But seriously... ya... I try to answer what I can:)

DING!

FUCKING DING!

You guys suck!


/gquit


But seriously... ya... I try to answer what I can:)


Seriously though, just from personal experience...I've dinged from 57-63 in the guild and you were the only who noticed (once) when I said ding. Starts to make a person wonder what she did to get ignored by the whole guild.

I helped someone in the guild out yesterday (or maybe Friday) who had been asking for help for two days straight. I wasn't able to help the day before, but I was able to help with the one (yes, it was only one quest) quest that he needed help with.

Just answer a person in guild chat if they have a question.

Now I've said my peace. Thanks.

I totally agree Abia.


While it's important to try to make sure no one is feeling too left out, there is a metric shit tonne of new content out there right now.

I just don't want people to get too bent out of shape on either side. Once the newness wears off I'm sure it will be easier to get help faster.

You canadians and your 'tonnes'

Seriously though, just from personal experience...I've dinged from 57-63 in the guild and you were the only who noticed (once) when I said ding. Starts to make a person wonder what she did to get ignored by the whole guild.

For what it's worth, I know there are a few people -- I'm one, and I know I'm not alone -- who don't pipe up with the gratses for every single ding. I'm sorry if that makes you feel like you're being ignored; it's not intended to ignore people. It's just that everybody's usually grinding on something or other, and even before Lich King came out we all had a zillion alts who leveled fast -- I cheered more when someone hit, say, level 30 (and got a mount) or level 70 (woo hoo!) than when someone hit, say, level 43. Again, this is just one perspective...but especially right now, when we're all in a frenzy of leveling, there might not be cheers from everyone every time every person dings.

I would hope and expect there'll be cheers from some people if you want to share the accomplishment with the guild. I'd just suggest that you not feel ignored if most people don't respond every time. We'll cheer the big milestones.

I helped someone in the guild out yesterday (or maybe Friday) who had been asking for help for two days straight. I wasn't able to help the day before, but I was able to help with the one (yes, it was only one quest) quest that he needed help with.

I completely agree with you here. We're all in a frenzy to see new content, but let's not forget to stop and help people who need guildmates -- whether they're stuck on Lich King quests or they haven't even gotten to Northrend yet. And another helpful protip: most of us are working on the same Lich King content. Grouping is not only efficient, it's kinda fun, too. Group with guildmates for fun and profit! There might be a sad and lonely mage that needs healing! There might be a wussy priest that desperately needs someone to balance out his MAD HOLY DPS! There might be a druid who...oh, never mind, druids never need a group. But everybody else probably does.

The requests for help I've seen go completely unanswered have been the ones along the line of "Anyone available to help me?" or "Anybody have a few minutes?" Questions that are more specific usually get a better response because people are able to tell whether they're in a nearby zone or whether they'll have time to do it before going to work/get food/do laundry/whatever.

I'll never forget the time I roped a guildie into helping me and somebody outside the guild without really knowing what we were starting on, and it turned out the be the Mallet of Zul'Farrak chain -- before they made all those mobs non-elite -- and it turned out to be a very long fest of suck that was really not what my guildie had in mind when saying "OK" to "Is someone near Hinterlands who can help me out?"

With regards to the helping thing I think part of it is simply not being attentive to gchat every single moment. Someone could ask for help and it could get pushed past the viewable area of my chatbox very quickly with all the people who say stuff in general chat. I'm not saying anyone is being ignored, I'm just saying that sometimes you don't even see the request with general chat pushing it out of the way.

I try to congrats every level ding, but I miss things. I don't count the AP dings unless it is something pretty impressive, though. As for the help, well....ya'll know how uber-tastic my 36 hunter is. :D

My mains are on Zul'jin. I'm a founding member of my guild over there and we have survived for over 7 years with chapters on about half a dozen games. I say this not to brag, but to say that VS is an awesome guild! There is not a member of VS that wouldn't be welcome in any Random Acts or Solace guild in any game that we are active in. People get caught up in the "Oooo, New & Shiny!", but that does not outweigh the friendliness of VS (IMHO) and I am grateful ya'll let me be a part of it.

/target VS
/hugs

Love you guys!

Jack and I will be back soon.

I have found that I have not been very attentive in guild chat lately. I haven't said hi when people come online and haven't noticed "dings" or much of anything. This is because I am trying to twobox Lushy and Sapphyre. For the couple of days that I have played in WOTLK I have felt like a bit of a noob! I'm getting ok at it now and I promise to watch out more for people who need help and such. But yeah, I doubt we'll all be saying "gratz" after every ding.... there's going to be too much of that to be able to respond each and every time.

HOWEVER, I do want people to get the help they need. Here's a suggestion: if you ask for help on guild chat and don't get a response, try again a few minutes later. If you still don't get a response, please send a whisper to one of the officers online and we promise to get you the help you need. Or if you see someone is not getting a response on something, send us a whisper as well. We try our best but we are also getting swept away with new content and it's hard to watch everything that happens. WE ARE NOT PERFECT. But we try. :D

I am with Stranger on the "I don't grats every single ding because I've seen a trillion of them through the years" page. But I'll try to pay more attention. I don't announce it myself, usually, unless it's something that's kind of huge for me like hitting 70 for the first time. Because I really am suuuper-excited about it want to share. Or I'm not sober and require more attention than usual...

(Big shout-out to Beefy for being our first mage portal to Dalaran! Congrats again!)

And I also don't always have my eyes glued to guild chat. Or sometimes the boss fight I'm in the middle of seems to need my typing fingers more than busting out a quick "grats!" And when we're raiding again, guild chat will probably be more dead during the raids. That's just how it goes. It's really not that we're all a bunch of asses. Except Stranger, who is probably a bunch of asses.

As far as helping people goes, Lyranne is totally right. I'd like to ask people who need a hand to kinda throw out specifics when they are asking for help. I'm more likely to come to someone's aid if it's "Is anyone in the xxx area who can help me kill this elite here?" and not "Who is available to help me?" Because I don't know what you need, or how long it will take, or if I will be able to start this and not be late to pick up my kids from school, or if this will take just 10 easy mintues? Or an hour?

And I need help killing Durn in Nagrand, btw. :) But I'll wait to ask until everyone's shot their Northrend load before I try to drag someone over there with me.

Lyranne makes a very good point: Being specific about help requests will usually get responses from people that are nearby and would otherwise just want to finish what they were working on.

Personally I've been setting aside group quests for now because I know everyone's out exploring and trying to be the first to max out first aid :P

One other suggestion.... if you're having trouble finding help for something, post on the site! We can set up a run for you or give you advice on how to finish whatever it is you've left unfinished.


Edit: Lux seems to have beat me to my post :P

And I need help killing Durn in Nagrand, btw. :) But I'll wait to ask until everyone's shot their Northrend load before I try to drag someone over there with me.

I always save my load for Agnes.

I agree with Lux and with stranger as well. I rarely announce if I've levelled.

Plus with all the chatter that sometimes goes on in guild chat and trying to level my toon, I myself don't always notice when someone requests help or dings. I'm always willing to help out if I'm not in the middle of something but it would really be helpful to know where exactly the help is needed. As Lux mentioned, distance and how long the help is going to be can be factor since we all have responsablities in RL that requires our attention.

Personally I've been setting aside group quests for now because I know everyone's out exploring and trying to be the first to max out first aid :P

The group quests I've done so far in Howling Fjord have been easily soloable by someone in Kara gear.

The group quests I've done so far in Howling Fjord have been easily soloable by someone in Kara gear.

Ditto

Grats and making a thread!

Excellent DPS!

Grats on typing words! Excellent forum-being-on!

Amanda has earned the achievement:

woot...smart-ass FTW

Except Stranger, who is probably a bunch of asses.

I would like to concede that I am, in fact, an assload of asses.

Looks like some peeps in the guild didn't get enough attention as a youngin'

So for those of you who need it:

"Grats on your next 10 Dings (70-80)"

"WooHoo"

"Great job!!!!"

Do not condescend to ME, sir. I am the guild's first Turkey Slayer!

And I need help killing Durn in Nagrand, btw. :) But I'll wait to ask until everyone's shot their Northrend load before I try to drag someone over there with me.

Dude, I love killing Durn. I think after I get a couple more levels I can solo him. As it is, I can get him to about 45% health before he kills me.