Well, I quit my raiding guild tonight. I'm crying hard as I write this message, maybe it's not even the best time, but I wanted to give everyone advance warning. I'm transferring her to this server so that I can play with y'all, but I might be a little tender for a few days.

This was a very difficult decision for me to make but I know it's the right one for me, I know it's what I have to do.

But man, it hurts.

Cool, Now you can show me what it means to be areal hunter. (and to see if you can one hit kill me)

aim for the head!

Shino man, have you seen her gear???

She could one-hit kill you using a rubberband and a paperclip.

It's not really cutting edge anymore ... the profile is not exactly accurate anyway, I never did get the ZG enchant for my hat. I'll have to put something else on it.

I accrued 2000+ dkp before I left that I never spent (to give you an idea of what this means, average item cost for non tier 3 pieces is 100 dkp). Oh well.

Mostly I'm just upset right now because I did have many close friends in Final Union, but I know that this is the correct choice for me. But it is still very painful.

shup and make me a frost trap!

Well, welcome (again) to VS.

We'll do our best to cheer ya up ;D

Torrin wanted me to ask you if he could have your extra dkp.

Cool, can you run my pvp twink through ST and ZF? Tonight and tomorrow are good for me but anything after that I'll have to check my calendar and get back to you. ;-). On a more serious note, glad you're with us and I'm sure it's a painful decision but you know what's best for you!

Well, I know who I now suddenly nominate to do all the pulling in ZG for us!

Yay for KITTEH. Well it's a sure thing you'll be the best equipped hunter on this server, we'll just hide behind you. :)

Whew. Okay. Deep breath, big girl panties on. I'm about to be real here.

Deme: I know you are just trying to convey how hard a decision this was and head off at the pass any passive-aggressive comments about your gear, but when you specifically note how hard you cried about this, it makes people feel that you are trying to guilt them into things, even if they don't specifically know what you're trying to guilt them into. I know you're just trying to be real about it and let people know that it wasn't an easy decision and you're trying really hard, but it can come off very drama queeny, and this guild is very sensitive about that.

Everyone else: As much as Deme enjoys sharing her raider experience with us, she is also very sensitive about it. I've seen a lot of dual opinions on her with regard to this; I've had several people page me saying they appreciate her experience and advice, and I've also had several page me saying they feel she's condescending and should STFU. I have talked to her about this. I've asked her not to argue with our raid leaders when we're running an instance for several reasons, so if a raid leader wants her advice, you will have to ask for it. If you want to figure it out yourself, then don't ask her. If you do want her advice, she will be delighted to give it. What I want to avoid is what happened when we ran ZG, and I had pages from both sides, half of of them, "OMG tell her to stop being elitist," and then when I told her to settle down, "OMG she was just trying to help."

Also for the record, I think this transfer is bad idea, and if you haven't done it yet Deme, I don't think you should. Or if you do, I don't think you should join this guild with her.

Yeah, that's right. I said it.

I've no opinion on whether or not the transfer is a bad idea or a good one.

My question though is why?

I can understand wanting to join in on the level 60 stuff with us. Unfortunately I really don't see how it could be fun for you with a character that tooled up. You're gear on her is overkill for the stuff that we're currently doing, so much so that I can't fathom how it could even remotely be a challenge.

It's similiar to any of our current characters transferring to a server and guild where everyone is just running instances like ZF. Sure it would be fun the first couple times but how long can you keep doing stuff that you're horridly overpowered for before you get bored with it?

On the other hand, if you're moving her over here just to goof off and have fun - that's cool. Just realize that there's a very good chance you won't really face a challenge or even see any new gear for her for quite some time. Best case scenario would be Burning Crusade.

Personally I think you'd have a lot more fun getting the character you have now up to 60 then joining us and gearing up at the same time. Just my 2 pyreal though.

Demetriana, I think you're real nice so stay tough and good luck with yer choice. :)

Demetriana, I think you're real nice so stay tough and good luck with yer choice. :)


That was never in question. :)

Whew. Okay. Deep breath, big girl panties on. I'm about to be real here.

Deme: I know you are just trying to convey how hard a decision this was and head off at the pass any passive-aggressive comments about your gear, but when you specifically note how hard you cried about this, it makes people feel that you are trying to guilt them into things, even if they don't specifically know what you're trying to guilt them into. I know you're just trying to be real about it and let people know that it wasn't an easy decision and you're trying really hard, but it can come off very drama queeny, and this guild is very sensitive about that.

Everyone else: As much as Deme enjoys sharing her raider experience with us, she is also very sensitive about it. I've seen a lot of dual opinions on her with regard to this; I've had several people page me saying they appreciate her experience and advice, and I've also had several page me saying they feel she's condescending and should STFU. I have talked to her about this. I've asked her not to argue with our raid leaders when we're running an instance for several reasons, so if a raid leader wants her advice, you will have to ask for it. If you want to figure it out yourself, then don't ask her. If you do want her advice, she will be delighted to give it. What I want to avoid is what happened when we ran ZG, and I had pages from both sides, half of of them, "OMG tell her to stop being elitist," and then when I told her to settle down, "OMG she was just trying to help."

Also for the record, I think this transfer is bad idea, and if you haven't done it yet Deme, I don't think you should. Or if you do, I don't think you should join this guild with her.

Yeah, that's right. I said it.


I find all of Deme's advice extremely helpful especially all of the hunter advice she has given me.

... no, no guilt is meant, I was just upset when I wrote the message ???

I don't care about loot or gear. I've never played this game for that. I honestly do not care if Eulalia looks the same in a year as she looks now.

Here are the facts:
-I'm going to graduate school in about two weeks. I was going to wait and quit then, but I decided that it would be best if I got through the 'severance time' now so I would be over it by the time graduate school got started. So the fact is I had to stop sometime.
-I wasn't happy raiding. I spent all my time complaining about this and that choice, about the behavior of certain people, etc, and almost no time having fun. The last good feeling I had was when we killed Thaddius, and you may think, well that was pretty recently, but it was like a bright spot in a sea of aggravation. Last night during the raid, more things of this nature occurred (I left for six minutes to prepare a bowl of ez mac for dinner, made a note I was doing so, and came back to a lecture anyway).
-At that point I picked up a pen and paper and seriously wrote down a pros and cons list, and seriously devoted thought to what I needed to do. I finally decided that yes, this has got to stop. The only question remaining was -- when? And, do I spend my DKP?
-I was going to quit by the 22nd, originally, and leave my DKP as is. I didn't take any tier 3 because I knew I was going, and I would have felt dishonorable.
-I decided, you know what ... I'm going now. While I have the nerve. So I left.

Next, I don't care about new loot or whatever. I can't raid all night every night anymore, not only in terms of emotional inability but also because grad classes are at night AND during raid times. Had I stayed, I obviously would be able to raid until such time as classes begun, but after that it would be a fast downward spiral. Casuals aren't looked upon favorably in my guild, except for a few rare cases (I wouldn't be one of them, I guarantee it).

So here was my choice: quit and leave Eulalia to stagnate and not be played, a character I love, or take her here, to help y'all if you would be kind enough to do so. Either way she won't 'progress' in terms of loot. When I try to care about this, it doesn't really happen =p

Well, that's the long and short of it.

I find all of Deme's advice extremely helpful especially all of the hunter advice she has given me.


Oh there's no doubt she's VERY good as a hunter! Particularly if you are interested in PVP, this is a great person to go to for advice.

I think our biggest concern is whether or not she'll be bored with the point that we are at. At the same time, though, I know she is about to start grad school - so it may be a combination of that (ie lack of time to raid) and maybe wanting the ability to relax more in the game. I know time is a real bitch where raiding is concerned, and the amount of dedication I know she shows to her schoolwork may not jive with that.

And there she is! Woot! And I do recall how many times recently you've told us about issues in that other guild. :( Sounds like they almost required you to keep a POOPSOCK!

Your reasons make sense to me, Deme. I can't see how anyone can play this game and do grad school at all, much less raid seriously. And you know we're not the lecturing type.

Well, I might lecture you about your choice of Mac & Cheese products.

If you want to bring Eula to a raid, cool. If not, fine. Up to you and your soon-to-be-very-busy schedule.

Yes, you are very right Jamisia. I need to focus more on my writing work in general. My discipline for writing used to be amazing, and now it's just pathetic. I have to get it back, especially since I know I'll be doing a lot of writing for grad school (including writing that I know I won't like, since that's what you have to do).

And yes, of course I love to help out with my suggestions etc. But if people don't want to hear them, obviously, I won't give them. I just want to bring myself to a lower key environment and continue playing the character I love so much and have put so much of myself into.

There's actually a guy in my raiding guild -- and mind, I love this guy and I'm gonna miss him, but even so -- who complains about his characters and how much he hates them, and I say to him, dude, I love my character ... it's all y'all that are the problem!

Sounds like good enough reasons to me.

I just wanted to make sure you woudln't get bored and frustrated with what we're currently doing.

Since you haven't grouped with us at level 60 yet just be aware that we don't ever do anything "by the book" or the easy way *cough*tanking rogue*cough*. :)

and I say to him, dude, I love my character ... it's all y'all that are the problem!


WICKED BURN!

I am super proud of you, Deme. <3

... where is my damn frost trap?

UP YOUR BUTT.